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	<title>Comments on: To Jesusland And Beyond</title>
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		<title>By: Jol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough I wrote about this recently, albeit in a footnote in the context of &quot;Islamic terrorism&quot;:

http://jtan.org.uk/blog/?p=142

I think I agree with a lot of your post, but I would personally find it a bit creepy, and unhappy-making, if someone helped me out in the name of chalking up points (however unselfishly) on some cosmic moral scoreboard rather than because anything about me mattered. I mean, I recognise this is caricaturing it a bit, since the two (caring about cosmic moral order + caring about people you help) are not exactly mutually exclusive, and I suppose the idea is precisely that the obedience to religious dictate and the compassion are meant to be deeply interlinked... but nonetheless, for those of us who see compassion as something freestanding, that&#039;s how the &quot;this is FOR Jesus&quot; (rather than, for instance, this is &quot;inspired by&quot; Jesus) claim comes across.

Also, for me at any rate, I actually prefer the idea of &quot;goodness because it&#039;s good&quot;, not because it ties in with some command, and it&#039;s in fact precisely this that makes me resolutely unable to cope with Christianity in its totality even if many threads in its ethics resonate with me. I just cannot accept that, for instance, it would be part of some greater plan that my loved ones should be banished to Hell for failing to believe, and if I were a Christian I should then be perfectly equanimous and happy with that, indeed perhaps taste the delights of a Heavenly afterlife myself regardless of their eternal punishment. It&#039;s not an answer, for me, that God encompasses everything, including everything that I value about them - that feels demeaning to them and their particularity. (Same reason I would say no to the Nozickian experience machine.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough I wrote about this recently, albeit in a footnote in the context of &#8220;Islamic terrorism&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://jtan.org.uk/blog/?p=142" rel="nofollow">http://jtan.org.uk/blog/?p=142</a></p>
<p>I think I agree with a lot of your post, but I would personally find it a bit creepy, and unhappy-making, if someone helped me out in the name of chalking up points (however unselfishly) on some cosmic moral scoreboard rather than because anything about me mattered. I mean, I recognise this is caricaturing it a bit, since the two (caring about cosmic moral order + caring about people you help) are not exactly mutually exclusive, and I suppose the idea is precisely that the obedience to religious dictate and the compassion are meant to be deeply interlinked&#8230; but nonetheless, for those of us who see compassion as something freestanding, that&#8217;s how the &#8220;this is FOR Jesus&#8221; (rather than, for instance, this is &#8220;inspired by&#8221; Jesus) claim comes across.</p>
<p>Also, for me at any rate, I actually prefer the idea of &#8220;goodness because it&#8217;s good&#8221;, not because it ties in with some command, and it&#8217;s in fact precisely this that makes me resolutely unable to cope with Christianity in its totality even if many threads in its ethics resonate with me. I just cannot accept that, for instance, it would be part of some greater plan that my loved ones should be banished to Hell for failing to believe, and if I were a Christian I should then be perfectly equanimous and happy with that, indeed perhaps taste the delights of a Heavenly afterlife myself regardless of their eternal punishment. It&#8217;s not an answer, for me, that God encompasses everything, including everything that I value about them &#8211; that feels demeaning to them and their particularity. (Same reason I would say no to the Nozickian experience machine.)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://syntaxfree.org/blog/archives/001197/comment-page-1#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be somewhat tempted to take issue with the statement that born agains and evangelicals  don&#039;t have swelled heads. I find all that modern fundamenalism stuff, or whatever group of people have hijacked the cause rather scary.

Good to see this blog tackling the hard hitting issues again. I probably would have just posted this.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1787364/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be somewhat tempted to take issue with the statement that born agains and evangelicals  don&#8217;t have swelled heads. I find all that modern fundamenalism stuff, or whatever group of people have hijacked the cause rather scary.</p>
<p>Good to see this blog tackling the hard hitting issues again. I probably would have just posted this.<br />
<a href="http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1787364/" rel="nofollow">http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1787364/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shoop</title>
		<link>http://syntaxfree.org/blog/archives/001197/comment-page-1#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>shoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love this post!</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Exley</title>
		<link>http://syntaxfree.org/blog/archives/001197/comment-page-1#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Exley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking such a deep look at the blog. Are you living in Singapore now?? I hear this same movement is starting to happen there in some of the big mega churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking such a deep look at the blog. Are you living in Singapore now?? I hear this same movement is starting to happen there in some of the big mega churches.</p>
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